The Avengers. Finally!

[oanja]

Okay so... The movie was great and funny (Josh Whedon ilu and your brand of banter) but I have to admit the hype was too much and I had too high expectations for the film. There was no way for it to be as awesome as I had made it out to be in my mind. *pout*

Still there were many awesome things that I adored:



♥ Iron Man. Seriously that guy... He's been my favourite since Iron Man came out and there is no way anyone could usurp him. He got the funniest lines and also the most bad ass action. (seriously there is no way they could have won without him. The nuke, anyone?)
♥ Hawkeye was surprisingly cool. (Gotta keep up with my approval of people fighting weird stuff with a bow and arrows)
♥ Loki remains flawless thanks to Hiddles. I have no idea why he actually decided to attack earth though. Was it just so he could give the tesseract to those weird aliens? O_o Or to mess with Thor? But wouldn't he have attacked Asgard in that case? Definitely ended up shipping him with every person he crossed paths with though... well except the Hulk.
♥ Tony and Banner talking about science and being all buddy buddy. I mean at the end when they got to that car together? And when the Hulk saved his life? So where is the fic for this pairing. I'll sign up.
♥ But I still ship Tony/Steve too~ They were getting closer the whole movie and when Tony was falling the look on Steve's face ♥_♥ Urgh, just in general, I'll need so much fic now.
♥ I also think that Loki and Tony should be bbf's. They have a lot in common imo and it would be hilarious. *nod nod*

Things that weren't so awesome:
- 3D. I hate it with the passion of a thousand suns. Seriously why do they keep doing this to good movies?! (I know, I know it's the money) Either film the fucking thing in 3D in the first place or don't put 3D in it at all.
- They killed Coulson! How dare you! I know he's not canon in the comics but he was in the movieverse and this is just not fair. *temper tantrum*
- The weird aliens. What was their deal? I know they wanted the tesseract but why? Was it theirs originally? What  were they going to do with it?
- The whole nuke thing and the council. wtf? How was the bonb supposed to help anything? They already established that the barrier around the tesseract was impenetrable, so the only thing the bomb would have done is kill 8 million people on Manhattan...
- They had that cage thing for the Hulk, but how on earth would they ever have gotten him in it in time? Makes no sense. And how was the cage stopping Loki from using magic and just zapping himself out of there? Nobody thought to ask that? I mean why did Loki let himself be kept prisoner? Was it just to buy time for Solveigh to built that bridge thing? To taunt the Avengers?
-Thor's girlfriend. Why wasn't she working on the tesseract with Solveigh? Wasn't she the expert and not him? Did they have some kind of scheduling issue and couldn't have the actor in the movie? Because wouldn't it have created better drama between Thor and Loki if Loki had bewitched her instead of that guy?

Comments

[nerakrose]

And how was the cage stopping Loki from using magic and just zapping himself out of there? Nobody thought to ask that? I mean why did Loki let himself be kept prisoner? Was it just to buy time for Solveigh to built that bridge thing? To taunt the Avengers?
the way i understood it, he went voluntarily to mess with the avengers. the whole massive fight between them? it was all loki's doing. idk it's hard to explain. i think he could've left anytime he wanted, but he didn't leave until it paid off to do so - when the avengers were split and scattered he buggered off.

i agree about the jane point. i thought that was pretty odd. and the 3D.

wasn't the tesseract the aliens' ? i got the impression that it was theirs originally but that the asgardians had taken it to earth to hide it (as seen in captain america). i got the impression that loki never intended to give it to the aliens but he made the promise only so he could manipulate them into giving him power and an army.

[oanja.livejournal.com]

It still doesn't make sense to me. To go through all that trouble just to make some guys argue. Especially when it ultimately made them work together better as a team.

To me Loki seemed genuinely scared of that alien thing in the beginning, or maybe it was just me?

And I mean why did he even need the army after he got the tesseract? If it's supposed to make the wielder super powerful, why did he just use it to get those aliens to Earth? He could just have used it himself to blast off anything and anyone who would have stood against him...

[nerakrose]

i don't think he knew they'd work together. it was a bit...not as well executed as i'd hoped, about coulson dying and his death being the uniting force for the team - it seemed a lot of communication just didn't happen there, and i'm still struggling to understand why bruce came back to fight when he didn't even know coulson was dead, for example (and why coulson's death would've mattered to him especially) etc. loki's intent was to split the team so they couldn't fight him. he said it specifically to...someone. tony? in the tower? he said something about them being scattered.

he really did seem scared! you weren't the only one thinking that.

i think the army was a power thing, right? one thing is to poke the scepter at everyone one by one, another thing is to have this crazy army to destroy everything. as one man he's not as frightening as when he's backed up by millions of scary creatures. he's making a statement by doing that.

[oanja.livejournal.com]

Yeah definitely, I mean Tony was the only one of them who even knew Coulson... And I also agree that Bruce coming back was pretty random. Unless he felt he owed it to Natasha to help her after almost killing her? I'm hoping the extended cut will make more sense (didn't Whedon say they have like 30min of footage they had to cut)

But I'm going to stick to my theory that he stayed and messed with their heads just to distract them from finding the tesseract too soon and so Solveigh had time to build that portal device.

I wish there would have been a bit more info about how Loki started working with those aliens. Like did they save him etc? and why Loki was so scared.

Hmm yes that makes sense, except that they weren't really his army, or loyal to him. They had their own leader and own agenda and Loki was just a middle man to them. Doesn't seem like that would boost Loki's ego the way he'd like... And wouldn't it me more in character for him to want all the power for himself, be feared just for himself (and not an alien army) I still think he could just have used the tesseract to like wipe out the pentagon and the white house etc on his own. I bet people would have been plenty scared.

But lol... sorry for all these nit-picky comments. ^_^; It makes it sound like I didn't like the movie, when in fact I thought it was excellent.

[nerakrose]

i've no idea. i think natasha and hawkeye probably knew him too because they're shield agents. and i can't imagine thor being especially happy with him... i'm hoping the cut material will clear up some of the weaker points, definitely.
your theory makes a lot of sense. :) i just think loki was also intending to split the team.

i don't think they needed to be loyal to loki. no one would have to know that - all they saw was this guy and his army and they were terrified. maybe that's also part of the reason why he was wavering so much... he wanted to put up a strong front for earth, to put it like that, but he knew his back wanted to doublecross him - he has to have known that.

noo don't apologise! i like discussing things like this :D

[oanja.livejournal.com]

Right, somehow I managed to forget them for a second ^_^;
Yeah I agree with you that he absolutely wanted to split the team up. *nod nod*

Yes but Loki would know, and had to smart, but yeah I loved those moments when you could see him teeter on the brink, between two choices and then always choosing the wrong one. But it makes sense if Loki was really scared of that alien boss and thought that if he didn't give the tesseract to them he'd be hunted down. (even though it makes no sense, when Loki has the tesseract. What could the aliens have done to him, if Loki had just decided to keep the thing for himself. Urgh plot, for not making sense)

[nerakrose]

just don't forget that this whole thing is based on comic-canon (and other canons - i have an animated movie called 'ultimate avengers the movie' which is basically this movie but drawn and with a few details different). comics don't always make sense. i think they did a good job of making a lot of things make sense in this movie, but i also think it's unavoidable that there'd be a few plotholes left. :)

[arilyn9.livejournal.com]

I also went to see it last night, in 3D. I Agree on most points, both negative and positive you point out here ^^

I have more opinions and thoughts but I'm too lazy to write at the moment. It was highly entertaining though and I think I'm goign to go look for fic soon enough *_*

[nemo-forever.livejournal.com]

This is bound to get long cause I am a total nerd. Sorry.

-Finally saw the movie and I totally agree with the 3D complaint. I did love the movie ridiculously, especially all the one liners and general hilarity. (Loki's face when he tries to control Tony and his spear thing just goes tink against the arc reactor!!!)
-Apparently Joss Whedon told Clark Gregg that he wouldn't die. And then he did. I am firmly on the Coulson didn't die bandwagon though.
-Idk what the Chitari are supposed to be but they are being controlled by the Skrull apparently, which just opens a whole 'nother side of comic book canon that will be fun. As for the tessaract, I had this idea that it was the blue glowy thing that came from Jötunheim in Thor, then wound up on earth in Denmark in WWII, got dropped into the ocean during the final fight between the Red Skull and Captain America, then Howard Stark found it while he was looking for Cap and kept it somewhere. I guess Nick Fury and SHIELD found it eventually and started trying to do stuff with it, which is of course what attracted Loki to it again. I'm not sure if that's all correct, or how it got to earth prior to WWII if Loki had it during Thor. Maybe he dropped it off the Rainbow Bridge or something? I think I remember that. Some...or all...of this probably is just my own personal headcanon tho.
-I didn't get the whole Council thing either, other than maybe just because they needed another Big Bad for Nick Fury to be arguing with.
-As for Jane Foster, she actually brought Selvig in to consult in Thor. I'm guessing he was her mentor and also an expert in the field. Since she was off busy trying to re-establish the Einstein-Rosen Rainbow Bridge I'm guessing they pulled Selvig in to work on the Tessaract, since he's also some kind of expert in that science-y stuff.



I really could go on but I think I'll save it for my own journal after I go see it again.